Chapter 612 [2] Qin Jue 1013 "A Century of Light and Shadow" Interview: Film
Chapter 612 [2] [Qin Jue 1013] "A Hundred Years of Light and Shadow" Interview: Video
"A Hundred Years of Light and Shadow" #October_Qin Jue (2)
——"Rain in the Day"——
After the phone was officially turned on, Qin Jue's sense of relaxation instantly dissipated. We sat opposite each other across the glass coffee table. His eyes, expressions and gestures all conveyed a clear message to me: he took the interview very seriously. He was very interested in the content of the interview, and he was looking forward to talking about the show.
I started with the character played by Qin Jue in "Daytime Rain" and started with the most "old-fashioned" topic. I asked him, "What do you think of Mawson?"
When I asked this question, I was mentally prepared to listen carefully. Qin Jue won the Best Actor Award for his role as Mo Sen. It can be said that there are very few people in the world who know Mo Sen better than him. I think he must have many feelings and experiences worth sharing.
"This is not a question on the test paper, is it?" Unexpectedly, Qin Jue confirmed this to me first.
After getting my affirmative answer, he smiled apologetically: "Then I don't think I'm suitable to give the answer."
"Before filming "Day Rain", I had only filmed four scenes in another movie, and I was a complete layman in terms of acting. When I played Mawson, I did not have enough professional ability to study him from an actor's perspective. , analyze him, the only thing that can be done is to desperately dig out the similar parts of himself and him, and then self-hypnotize, so that Qin is not Qin Jue, but Mo Sen.
"I like him, but I hate him. I think he is pitiful, hateful, and pathetic. This feeling of narcissism and self-loathing is more like Mo Sen's chaotic understanding of himself, rather than me, actor Qin Jue , view of him.”
When giving this conclusion, Qin Jue's tone was calm and a little cold, as if Qin Jue, who is sitting here now, is looking back at the person who was named Mo Sen, but in fact "Qin Jue and Mo Sen merged into one." "People.
I looked at him and suddenly understood why he wanted to confirm with me whether this interview was "filling out a test paper." Mo Sen in "Daytime Rain" is a complex character. From Qin Jue's perspective, he can emphasize Mo Sen's pity or hatefulness according to his own position, and he can also make a dialectical and objective analysis. But he didn't. He rejected the standard answer that could be scored and gave me a non-utilitarian response.
Be calm and sincere.
"Actually, Director He rarely talked to me about this when filming this movie." Qin Jue continued, "He would directly tell me what to shoot here. This 'what' is a set scene, such as Mo Sen Following passers-by, Mo Sen attacked with a knife, Mo Sen had trouble sleeping, he hit his head with his hands while walking on the road, etc. "
"Only descriptions of events and actions?" I asked in surprise.
"Yes, Director He will basically not analyze the character's psychological state with me at that time. Because when Moson appears, his personality has already been finalized. What I want to interpret and present is a result, not a process of growth and change. "
I recalled "Daytime Rain" following Qin Jue's words. It was indeed as he said. In the movie, Mawson rarely confessed, and his mental activity was almost zero. In his mind, apart from memories and nightmares, there was tinnitus and chaotic murmurs. He did not give any subjective opinions. information on.
"In this way, you put the question of 'how to view Mawson' to the audience." I said half-jokingly.
Qin Jue nodded: "It sounds a bit lazy and seems to be playing rogue. However, I personally think it is fair."
"In this world, there are no facts, only interpretations; there is no truth, only perspectives..." He said slowly, "That's what "Rain of the Day" is like. Everyone's good and evil are revealed to you. As for '䱱' What do you think? I’m really sorry, our crew does not provide after-sales service in this regard.”
He concluded with just the right amount of humor.
Right and wrong are up to people to judge, and everyone’s likes and dislikes are in people’s hearts. Qin Jue's attitude is gentle and calm. Like He Xu and the crew of "Rain in the Day", he chooses to "delegate power" among a series of works that are full of education. He is neither condescending, cramming in the truth, nor being eloquent. Using sensationalism and other methods only increases moral pressure, but only returns the right of perception and interpretation to the audience, and uses actions to tell everyone: what you see and think is what you get.
"It's very courageous." I sighed, "But when it comes to the character of Mohsen, this approach will undoubtedly be sharp and even radical."
Qin absolutely agrees with the term "radical". "The realistic shooting techniques and performance methods are a double-edged sword. If they are euphemistic, they will not be impactful enough. If they are straightforward, they will not reach a wide audience."
"But what impressed me deeply was that during the entire filming process, including before filming and during the script reading, no one of us said, 'Is this too excessive?' or 'Should we tighten it up?'"
"Don't avoid the problem", this point is very important in Qin Jue's opinion.
"Day Rain" has many "out-of-the-box" parts. Many film critics criticized this film for over-exaggerating bloody violence and using Heishenchan (darkness, depth, and cruelty) as a gimmick to earn box office and reputation. Some people are also worried that such a movie and scenes will have a bad impact on the audience. I hope The viewing rating can be raised one level (R18), preferably two levels (R21).
Qin Jue never ignored these voices. "I think their appearance is very reasonable. It is rather surprising that there is no such evaluation."
Criticism and worry are normal reactions in Qin Jue's eyes. There is only one point of view that he disagrees with: this kind of film and television works are suspected of having a bad direction, so don't make them in the future.
"No one can make a final statement on behalf of the entire audience group. What some people think is 'inappropriate' does not mean that a work 'should not exist'." Qin Jue said, "The audience is much wiser than we think. If we deny the meaning of a work because the theme is too sharp or the picture is too shocking, it is actually a contempt and neglect of the audience."
"Besides, the phenomenon of school bullying has received more attention due to the release of "Daytime Rain". For this reason alone, I think this movie was not made in vain."
In this matter, Qin Jue's idea is very simple. He does not expect a movie to have much power to eliminate vicious phenomena. "You have to eat one bite at a time and walk one step at a time." He said slowly, "Being seen is progress."
"Many bad things are actually very common in reality. It is precisely because they are common that people who know about them assume that it is useless to ask for help, and people who don't know about them misunderstand and ignore them, thinking that "there are not many such things" or "it's no big deal."
"And "Daytime Rain" and similar entertainment works actually act as a hook to break the fragile wall skin, allowing the pile of cockroaches in the wall to pour out from the dark place and dry in the sun.
"Whether the pests can be killed is another matter, but at least people know: Oh, I didn't notice that there are so many cockroaches hiding in the damp place before."
I deliberately argued with Qin Jue and asked him, since the purpose is like this, why don't you emphasize the part where Mossen is bullied in school, but add a lot of scenes of him killing and raping in the movie. Is this a deliberate attempt to attract attention?
Qin Jue didn't seem surprised by such doubts. He smiled and asked me if I would like to hear a story.
I nodded happily.
…
A group of boys who were close to each other had an inconspicuous little follower. They often ordered him around and played pranks on him, and they enjoyed it.
One day, the boys learned that a movie was being shown. The movie was said to be erotic and exciting, and there were many bloody and terrifying scenes. The boys thought about it and felt that there was nothing more interesting than "enjoying the large-scale pictures while watching the little follower being scared pale", so they called the little follower without saying anything, and several people walked into the theater together.
However, the reality was contrary to their wishes. The realistic killing scenes in the movie made the boys feel terrified from the bottom of their hearts. As the plot developed, the fact that the villain had been bullied made them even more frightened. They suddenly realized that they might also be "retaliated", and the bodies that died tragically in the movie might be their future fate.
Then, the boys worried about their own safety, realized their mistakes, and took the initiative to apologize to the little follower; the little follower looked at Mossen and was also very afraid that he would become that kind of person in the future. He also took this opportunity to express his feelings of "just wanting to be friends with everyone, but not knowing how to get along with them correctly."
In the end, after equal communication and exchanges between the two sides, the boys were forgiven, the little follower was respected, and a healthy friendship began.
…
"The story ends here." Qin Jue drew a period with his hand.
I was silent for a while, and honestly told Qin Jue that I guessed the beginning and the end, but not the process.
"I didn't guess it either." Qin Jue was more honest, "When I read this fan letter, my expression was exactly the same as yours now."
Before I was surprised that this was a real thing, Qin Jue told me that because of this letter, he had a new idea when he went back to review "Daytime Rain", an idea starting from the bully.
He said that people have always been more accustomed to considering the problem from the perspective of the victim when talking about school bullying. "We always find some reasons for him to be bullied, such as he is weak and quiet, he is not tall or too conspicuous, or he has some objective defects, which makes him an 'outlier' that easily arouses the curiosity of others, etc."
"But the real fact is that there is no 'reason' for being bullied in the world. No matter who it is or what he or she is like, he/she should not be bullied." Qin Jue paused slightly and repeated, "No one is born to be bullied."
Ignoring other factors and just forcing the victim to reflect on himself is incorrect in itself. This is Qin Jue's opinion.
I agree with it deeply. In school bullying incidents, the argument that "it takes two to tango" has always existed. Therefore, in recent years, many social activists who pay attention to this phenomenon have turned their attention to the school and family levels, calling on teachers and parents to pay more attention to bullied children, take responsibility in time, and not be absent or late.
Qin Jue thinks this is a good trend. "But if you think that doing this can 'nip school bullying at its source' as advertised, I personally think it's too optimistic."
"Because - sorry, this may sound harsh - because bullying has little to do with being bullied, he is the one being bullied, which means the problem is not with him at all, so how can we expect to solve the problem with him alone?
"The nail has been nailed into the board. We can pull out the nail and try to repair the hole in the board, but what about the person who hammered the nail? He is the root of everything. If this person cannot change his bad habit of hammering nails, he will continue to nail the board, just with a different one.
“Then new boards are made with new holes, and so on, until the nail hammerer gets tired of the game and no longer has fun in this way.
“At this time we can discover a cruel fact: whether or not to hammer the nails, the initiative lies in the hands of the person who hammers the nails.
"Whether it's a wooden board, the person who stops the nail hammering midway, or the person who repairs the board afterwards, they can only follow the nail hammerer and passively bear the damage and bear the consequences."
When Qin Jue said this, his tone was neither impassioned nor indignant.
He just asked calmly, in a very soft voice, as if talking to himself: "So why do bullies become bullies?"
This question was so shocking that I was speechless for a moment.
After a moment, it was still the same as the chat before turning on the phone. Qin Jue came to his senses and noticed the strange atmosphere, and took the initiative to apologize.
"I took the topic too far, I'm sorry." He pressed the hem of his clothes and bowed slightly to me on his seat.
I shook my head and continued to talk about Qin Jue's question: "Putting it in the environment of "Rain of the Day", what do you think is the problem with He Ye, or the bullies represented by He Ye?"
Qin Jue thought for a while before saying: "I think if He Ye could grow up with enough love and care, he would not pursue the pleasure of bullying others. It is often this lack of love, lack of attention, and Children who are not respected are more likely to seek the sense of presence they need from others in extreme ways.”
After a pause, he added, "This situation also includes doting."
"In my opinion, bullies who are pampered at home and show off their power outside still lack love. Healthy love will help children know etiquette, right and wrong, and have a kind heart and the ability to empathize with others. And Doting is just a kind of laziness and submission that is whitewashed by a lot of goodwill, without any clear and positive guidance. It will only make people feel lacking and empty, and they will not feel that they are truly loved. "
I saw an emotion that can be called "compassion" in Qin Jue's eyes. It is thick but not heavy. Like Qin Jue's words, it will not impose a strong sense of moral guilt on the listener. Talking about phenomena is just talking about phenomena. There is no criticism or kidnapping. Its purpose is to explore issues, not to incite emotions. , dig out someone’s guilt, and use emotional fruits as medals to highlight achievements.
Up to this point in the conversation, I feel that my conversation with Qin Jue has gone beyond the scope of celebrity interviews and has gradually deepened into sociological discussions.
But Qin Jue brought the topic back: "After exploring the causes, we need to think about countermeasures. I originally focused on 'how to protect the victims,' but that letter and that story inspired me, and my focus So it turns to 'how to effectively stop bullies'."
After finishing speaking, he repeated the question I had asked deliberately before, word for word, and looked at me with gentle eyes.
The positions between us unknowingly changed. Across a glass coffee table, it was Qin Jue's turn to wait for my answer.
I thought about it and said: "The large number of scenes of Mawson committing murders and violence in "Day Rain"... are they a kind of deterrence?"
Qin Jue nodded. "I'm not sure this was intentional by Director He and Editor Mu, but after reading the fan letter, I did have such an idea." He said.
"Anyone who has been exposed to or learned about two or more cases of bullying can almost find one thing in common: bullies will secretly select suitable bullying targets. Before, during and after they commit evil, they have a lot of thoughts in their hearts. Qing, 'This person, nothing will happen to me after I bully him or her, I will not be punished in any way'.
"Just like the saying goes, pick the weakest persimmon. A person with a gentle temperament, who is used to patience, and knows how to give in, is an excellent target for bullying in the eyes of bullies. Because of his/her daily behavior, Let the bully feel a sense of security that he can do whatever he wants.
"From the perspective of protecting victims, I would advise these gentle and kind people to strengthen their attitudes, establish self-boundaries, and give the other party a clear understanding, letting him know that this kind of treatment is acceptable from you, and That kind of treatment is absolutely unacceptable'; but from the perspective of effectively stopping the bully - although it is more radical - 'demonstrating deterrence' is a feasible method."
Qin Jue said with a helpless smile.
"I received the letter at the award ceremony of the Venazzola International Film Festival. The kid... was about the same size as Mawson, a very shy and gentle young man. He said in the letter that when faced with the call of his peers, Being drunk and bullied, he did not have the courage to resist, so he could only deceive himself and regard these as 'proof of a good relationship'.
"But because of "Day Rain" and because of Mawson, he succeeded in 'fake the tiger's power'. His companions saw that Mawson in the movie was so real and terrifying, and for the first time they felt a sense of crisis and realized that 'it turned out that People who are bullied really become black."
"Darkening" can be understood as a dramatic change in temperament due to strong stimulation, leading to an evil and crazy path. Qin Jue told me with a complex expression that although this is a type of violence that has not happened yet, in a sense, it may be better to let the bully see the consequences of being revenged by a homosexual than repeated propaganda and verbal education. It turned out to be much more straightforward and smooth.
"This is a very sad thing, but it is also very realistic." Qin Jue said, "Still taking that letter as an example, if Mo Sen in the movie hadn't shown enough deterrence, those boys might not have Really realize your mistakes - only when you are afraid can you think, be alerted and understand the seriousness of the matter. "
"Without the premise of fear, it would be too difficult to do the latter."
Qin Jue's words provided a new perspective and solved my previous doubts about why "Daytime Rain" designed a large number of restricted lenses for Mo Sen.
"Moson is actually intimidating everyone equally," I said.
Qin Jue agreed with my conclusion. "His (Mossen's) image goes beyond the boundaries of subjective likes and dislikes. It is objectively true, objectively terrible, and objectively ugly. Whether it is a bully, a victim, or an audience who is not on either side, seeing Moson's Everyone will be frightened by their appearance, and this impact is universal.”
I can understand what Qin Jue means. When bullies are attacked, fear may induce guilt and fear, and then they can curb their bullying behavior; when victims are affected, they may be grateful that they have also been bullied on campus, but they have not fallen as badly as Mawson. At this point, you may gain unconventional courage, "If you don't resist bravely now, what if you are forced to a dead end one day and become a person like Mawson?"
After watching the evil deeds of Mawson, viewers who are not from these two parties can also feel when they watch the ending of the film that "it turns out that there is no school bullying, and Mawson's life is so warm and beautiful."
"Different paths lead to the same goal." Qin Jue said, "No matter who it is, no matter what experience he or she has had, what role he or she has played in the bullying incident, or whether he or she thinks Moson is more terrifying, pitiable or hateful. , I have the same feeling after watching the movie: campus bullying harms others and ourselves.”